MS Access Forum / General 1 / November 2006
Consulting Start-up
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Jeff Smeker - 28 Nov 2006 05:07 GMT About 4 years ago, my boss's son, for some reason, purchased a copy of Access. Also for some reason, I ended up helping him get an application going. Well, after finding out what Access was all about, I fell in love. Access is now my favorite program...BY FAR!
Well, after 4 years of designing an application for my current employer (boss's son is no more), I am VERY seriously considering going out on my own designing custom apps.
I want to stick to specific industries that I'm knowledgeable of. I am currently VP of Engineering at a custom machine manufacturer. I'm thinking of going after, basically, small industrial manufacturers in my area.
I have some good contacts in the industry, and I am thinking of targeting them. I have one in mind that I was going to approach. I was thinking of offering a free application, in return for...well, basically...referrals, and the right to use him as a reference. But, as you could summize, there is no guarantee of referrals, and my time could all be for nothing.
My question is: Is there any point to this? At first I was thinking this is a great idea, but after more thought, I'm not so sure.
Anybody have any tips, or experience in this area? I feel like I need some apps under by belt before I'm taken seriously, but at the same time, there is value in this app that I would create for free. Giving it away seems like a shame. I'm torn.
Please...advice anyone?
Thanks, Jeff Smeker
John Mishefske - 28 Nov 2006 05:45 GMT > About 4 years ago, my boss's son, for some reason, purchased a copy of > Access. Also for some reason, I ended up helping him get an application [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > time, there is value in this app that I would create for free. Giving > it away seems like a shame. I'm torn. One avenue to consider is volunteer work. There are many organizations that can use/benefit from free software development that would be glad to provide a reference in return for that work.
Its a win-win, has a feel-good benefit and was very helpful to me when I did this jump.
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David F Cox - 28 Nov 2006 07:46 GMT There are many famous children's authors that started out by telling stories to one child, and then went on to write them down for all children. Telling stories to one child will not make you rich, nor is it a necessary step on the way to riches, though if the one child hates the stories perhaps a different path should be considered. It is similar with software. Writing software for one client and then extending it to many is a well-trod path to success. The first app cost N & lotsa zeros, the second copy costs cents.
I assume that your custom machines tend to go into certain groups of industries. In your place I would look for a small application that would go into those industries and write that. Owning one of your machines might well introduce new problems into those industries, for example ordering materials for those machines, spare parts maintenance, perhaps a manual based on a database. If you can offer a free or cheap solution to your customers and to your potential customers the program itself can act as a referral, you get to design the Splash screen and insert your name into the suppliers table. If pursuing this strategy be aware that a Web site might be a more profitable way of achieving the same goals.
As an example, I used a program I had written for calculating near minimum paths (travelling salesman problem) for printed circuit board drilling machines to get sales for PCB drilling machines, and wrote a program that translated drilling programs between types of machines which also got many sales. These applications were not free but under-priced, and generated considerable income in their own right.
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> About 4 years ago, my boss's son, for some reason, purchased a copy of > Access. Also for some reason, I ended up helping him get an application [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > Thanks, > Jeff Smeker ManningFan - 28 Nov 2006 15:47 GMT Jeff - Access is a "dime a dozen" program. Everyone knows how to write queries and forms to get them to a point. Trying to make a business out of Access coding is like trying to make a business out of painting only it's a bit more difficult; not only can everyone do it but there's less mess to clean up at the end of the day.
Start with sites like guru.com, elance.com, rentacoder.com and the like. And if you're not frustrated enough to give up that line of work after constantly being beaten down by people willing to bid on jobs for next to nothing, then feel free to open your own firm.
If you're a VP of Engineering, you're probably making 5 times what your full potential of an Access coder is. IMO, I'd rather have the guaranteed paycheck (and the bonus you probably get) than the aggrivation of trying to make a buck as a freelancer.
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> About 4 years ago, my boss's son, for some reason, purchased a copy of > Access. Also for some reason, I ended up helping him get an application [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > Thanks, > Jeff Smeker Jeff Smeker - 28 Nov 2006 20:52 GMT In many ways I agree with you. Although I have no experience to back this up, I could see that an Access programmer is a "dime a dozen". A company that knows their data needs, that can write up specifications, and go hire a guy to write the program, is NOT the customer I would be looking for.
I know of very few small business that have this kind of technological know-how, and I suspect they will never gain this kind of knowledge. They don't need to. Hell, most of them don't even have a computer on site! *This* is the type of company I'll be going after.
My value would be as a consultant. Advising companies on what can and should be done, IT-wise, to improve their business. The way I look at it, there are VERY few people out that that know these industries, and know the technology side of things, the way I do (my mom always said I was special).
I have not thought for one second about going after contract programming alone. I'm not nearly good enough to be in that business.
My question really was about starting a consulting firm (that specilizes in Access), more than starting a programming company. And more specifically, my thoughts of giving away an app to get my foot in the door.
PS: I guess a secondary question could be about the viability of the plan I've outlined above. Any thoughts there would be greatly appretiated.
Jeff
> Jeff - > Access is a "dime a dozen" program. Everyone knows how to write [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] > > Thanks, > > Jeff Smeker Albert D. Kallal - 29 Nov 2006 17:43 GMT I have a article I wrote some years ago on consuting and ms-access.
....nothing changed since then.
http://www.members.shaw.ca/AlbertKallal/Articles/fog0000000004.html
ms-access is not much the issue. Ask yourself, when you purchased ms-access, did you ask if the developers used Delphi, vb, or c++ (you did not care). Your customers as a general rule should also not care.....they are purchasing applications...not ms-access....
 Signature Albert D. Kallal (Access MVP) Edmonton, Alberta Canada pleaseNOOSpamKallal@msn.com
Jeff Smeker - 29 Nov 2006 18:15 GMT Great article, I actually read this a few weeks ago. And again just now. I agree, the customer does not care one bit what the platform is, and does not even have the knowledge to be able to even have an opinion.
Your article pretty much gave me the idea for how I want to approch this. That is, not as a developer, but as a provider of solutions. It just so happens that I would use Access.
Anybody care to share their consulting start-up stories? How you got into this business? How you obtained your first clients?
> I have a article I wrote some years ago on consuting and ms-access. > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Edmonton, Alberta Canada > pleaseNOOSpamKallal@msn.com Albert D. Kallal - 29 Nov 2006 18:55 GMT Kind of gets off topic here real quick if we try and turn this newsgroup into a business incubator.
Starting a business, be it a coffee shop, or consulting is much beyond this newsgroup. (and, for much, there is little, if any difference between the two!!).
Besides, there is like what...a billion or more web sites devoted to starting and running a business, we really don't need more clutter here then we already have!! Lets try and keep this newsgroup for ms-access. (there is just so many resources for business out there).
is likely too many sites on the web devoted to business issues! (every city seems to have there own local ones in addition the zillions of government sites etc...).....
 Signature Albert D. Kallal (Access MVP) Edmonton, Alberta Canada pleaseNOOSpamKallal@msn.com
mukeshhtrivedi@gmail.com - 29 Nov 2006 19:27 GMT Hi Jeff,
The company I work with is very small and using MS Access application for Sales and I am not good at MS Access. Please let me know if you can help me making some changes to existing application.
my email address is mukeshhtrivedi@gmail.com
Mukesh
> Kind of gets off topic here real quick if we try and turn this newsgroup > into a business incubator. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Edmonton, Alberta Canada > pleaseNOOSpamKallal@msn.com Terry Kreft - 30 Nov 2006 10:17 GMT I don't completely agree with this.
You have to be prepared to defend your decision to use whichever tool you go with, even if the customer is not technically savvy enough to question your decision there are plenty of consultants out there prepared to come in and pour scorn on it in order to try and inluence the customer into using their services rather than yours.
I've also personally come across a customer who asked for a piece of software to allow them to check variances between two SQL databases. After doing a double take I pointed out that they already had a piece of software to do this (an Access database which took half a day to write, provided FOC some months earlier) the customers response was that they had never used it as it was written in Access and they had some undefinable prejudice against this, I ended up charging them for 3 days work to replicate the functionality in a VB program.
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> I agree, the customer does not care one bit what the platform is, > and does not even have the knowledge to be able to even have an > opinion. <SNIP>
purpleflash - 30 Nov 2006 11:05 GMT Hi Folks
I would generally agree - most consultancies working with databases are on the high end of expensive it is not uncommon for a db consultant to charge ?100 ($180) per hour for their skills! No small company can afford this level of charge. Aim for small businesses where a little bespoke or considered IT can make a large difference!
As for Access 'developers' being a dime a dozen that is almost true however this often splits into 90% 'dabbler' and 10% 'Relational Developer' - A lot of the 'dabblers' create a non relational database system - and therefore the preponderance of code to 'solve' basic design flaws creates a maintenance nightmare!
So my take would be
Aim for small businesses 5 to 50 staff Aim for tailored or bespoke true relational applications based on modular building blocks.
Purpleflash
> In many ways I agree with you. Although I have no experience to back > this up, I could see that an Access programmer is a "dime a dozen". A [quoted text clipped - 80 lines] > > > Thanks, > > > Jeff Smeker Tim Marshall - 30 Nov 2006 13:03 GMT > As for Access 'developers' being a dime a dozen that is almost true > however this often splits into 90% 'dabbler' and 10% 'Relational > Developer' - A lot of the 'dabblers' create a non relational database > system - and therefore the preponderance of code to 'solve' basic > design flaws creates a maintenance nightmare! Amen!
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Keith Wilby - 30 Nov 2006 13:44 GMT >> As for Access 'developers' being a dime a dozen that is almost true >> however this often splits into 90% 'dabbler' and 10% 'Relational [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Amen! What *did* happen to PC Datasheet? ;-)
Keith.
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