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MS Access Forum / General 1 / January 2006official certification
Is there any widely acknowledged official international certification you can get as an Access developer? Something well beyond the small access componant in the MS Office cert... I need a benchmark to shoot for! MVP seems to be a recognized standard. > Is there any widely acknowledged official international certification > you can get as an Access developer? Something well beyond the small > access componant in the MS Office cert... > > I need a benchmark to shoot for! > Is there any widely acknowledged official international > certification you can get as an Access developer? > Something well beyond the small > access componant in the MS Office cert... > > I need a benchmark to shoot for! At one time, there was a certification for Access development that, perhaps with some other tests, could earn you the Microsoft Certified Professional (MCP) designation, and the Access developer cert could be an elective in the Microsoft Certified System Developer (MCSD) certification. But that is no longer the case... as far as I know, Microsoft's only Access certification is, as you state, part of the Microsoft Office USer (MOUS) certification, for end-users. And, no, there is no other certifying authority for Microsoft software with anywhere near the recognition of Microsoft's own certifications. Ed Robichaud indicated the MVP award was recognized. It is not, however, a certification for which you can study and be tested. It is a recognition from Microsoft for contributions to the Microsoft software user community. See http://mvp.support.microsoft.com for a description. Microsoft decides based on their own observations of various kinds of activity, including newsgroup participation and user group involvement, who is to be awarded -- there is no procedure for "applying" for it. Larry Linson Microsoft Access MVP Thanks Larry, That's what I figured... Shame though. I guess they want SQL Server to be the big MS DB gun! > Thanks Larry, That's what I figured... Shame > though. I guess they want SQL Server to be > the big MS DB gun! Some of us have let Microsoft know that they should consider making Access or Office Development part of their certification program. They said they would consider. I don't think it has anything to do with "competition" between Access and Microsoft SQL Server... they are both "database software" but they don't compete for the same user base or application market. Larry Linson Microsoft Access MVP Larry Linson Microsoft Access MVP >Some of us have let Microsoft know that they should consider making Access >or Office Development part of their certification program. They said they >would consider. That's great - hope your recommendation didnt fall on deaf ears! > > Thanks Larry, That's what I figured... Shame > > though. I guess they want SQL Server to be [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > software" but they don't compete for the same user base or > application market. And the training would be completely different, with one being database management and administration with a subsuejct in programming TSQL, while the other would be primarily application programming with a subsection in database management and administration. And the Access certification could be entirely in development, which give it no real overlap at all with SQL Server certification. If that really is MS's excuse, it shows that they have absolutely no understanding of their own product lines. Given the way they mishandle Access (especially as reflected by everything that's happened after A97) that wouldn't surprise me at all.  SignatureDavid W. Fenton http://www.dfenton.com/ usenet at dfenton dot com http://www.dfenton.com/DFA/ > Given the way they mishandle Access (especially > as reflected by everything that's happened after >A97) that wouldn't surprise me at all. Your guess may be valid. Have you read the blogs about Access changes in Office 12. Seems to me it is mostly aimed at "knowledge workers" (which I understand to be semi-but-not-quite power users of Access in an enterprise corporate environment). They seem to be convinced that is a substantial group of users; I'm not sure I have ever personally met a single one. My guess, regarding certification, is that there are different groups defining "development" at Microsoft and the one with higher management's ear now defines it only as Dot Net and its languages, thus Office fell by the wayside as far as developer certification is concerned. Microsoft has "Developer Evangelists" in field offices; they don't do anything but Dot Net subjects. For Office to even be mentioned, it'd have to bef involved / integrated with a big Dot Net application. Sometimes, as in South Central, they will have an Access or Office developer on their (customer) Developer Guidance Council, but I assume we are there to be the "loyal opposition". Larry Linson Microsoft Access MVP > My guess, regarding certification, is that there are different groups > defining "development" at Microsoft and the one with higher management's ear > now defines it only as Dot Net and its languages, thus Office fell by the > wayside as far as developer certification is concerned. That definately fits with what is on the ms website... it's almost like a marketing blitz pushing .net and to hell with people using VB, access, foxpro or any other ms development software. That strategy can't be good for business. It feels like I'm being forced my ms to adopt their next new darling child. The question is how long before it's replaced by the next shining new TLA? > That definately fits with what is on the ms > website... it's almost like a marketing blitz > pushing .net and to hell with people using > VB, access, foxpro or any other ms develop- > ment software. No, it's not "almost like", it "_is_" what you describe. > That strategy can't be good for business. > It feels like I'm being forced by ms to adopt > their next new darling child. Yes, it seems that they have abandoned all business sense, but The Boys and Girls in Redmond are 'way too smart for that, and 'way too smart to let a bunch of conceited developers drive the company down by forcing their "this is the only way" approach down everyone's throat. Thus, I conclude that this must fit in with some grander strategy that isn't completely obvious to me. It seems to have some flavor of "the Net is the focus of everything, not the desktop, not the LAN, not the WAN". > The question is how long before it's > replaced by the next shining new TLA? It was approximately 10 years for "classic VB" (VB.NET is a new language with some common roots, but not an evolutionary development from VB6). Larry Linson Microsoft Access MVP Hi Larry, I came across one of your responses to a query about switching from Access to VB. For once I find somebody who thinks exactly as I do on the matter. Access is the development tool of choice. I have been a "lone wolf" programmer since 1970 and have worked in Fortran, Pascal, Algol (Burroughs mainfames), dBase and Access. I feel that the power of Access fully covers all the best of the other languages and more. I've done a number of "one-off" projects in MS Access and finally attempted an app. for mass market. Please have a look at www.concisedata.co.za (the website is nothing to write home about) and download the TOPS - Standard. I would like your opinion on the quality of the work and what type of certification, if any, I could aim for. Thanks and best regards Steve Minnaar MS Access - A legend in it's own time. |
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