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Kim Beckwell - 16 Sep 2003 16:40 GMT
I have a database on our network.  I have run replication
on it creating a Design Master and 3 additional replicas
located in the same network file.  

I will be keeping the Design Master on the Network and
will do my syncronizing there.  

My question is.... would there be a problem with me
connecting to the laptops and dragging a copy of each
replica to each laptop from the network location?  And
after the updates are made dragging the updated replicas
back to the network location from the laptops and proceed
to synch with the Design Master using these replicas that
were overwritten with the laptop updates?  The replicas
won't lose their replication status by doing this?

I searched everywhere regarding this and couldn't find
anything.  I would appreciate anyone guidance or
suggestions.  Thanks a bunch, Kim
Vitalijus J. Karalius - 16 Sep 2003 17:58 GMT
do not do that.....here's why

http://www.trigeminal.com/usenet/usenet009.asp?1033

> I have a database on our network.  I have run replication
> on it creating a Design Master and 3 additional replicas
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> anything.  I would appreciate anyone guidance or
> suggestions.  Thanks a bunch, Kim
klb@co.thurston.wa.us - 16 Sep 2003 19:14 GMT
So, if the Replication Manager or the briefcase reconciler
is not used, there is no other way to place the replicas
on the laptops?

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>do not do that.....here's why
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kim - 16 Sep 2003 19:37 GMT
I thought that if you move/copy/namechange the 'Design
Master' it will lose it's replication.  I've tested the
replicas and they seem to sync up, but I may be missing
something.
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Vitalijus J. Karalius - 16 Sep 2003 20:09 GMT
You can distribute new copies of a replica set to other locations if the
newly created replica is never opened or accessed in any way until it is at
the intended install location.

> So, if the Replication Manager or the briefcase reconciler
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Kim - 16 Sep 2003 21:16 GMT
Would pathing out the location directly to the laptops
(from the network) when creating the initial replicas
work?  When synching is done, could I synch directly from
the laptops to the Design Master on the network?  There
wouldn't be any moving/copying done.

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>You can distribute new copies of a replica set to other locations if the
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Vitalijus J. Karalius - 16 Sep 2003 22:22 GMT
What's wrong with Tools/Replication/Create Replica ?

Do it from Access and you get 1000 days between synchs if you need it....

The design master should not be part of your replication topology. Use it
for design changes to the replica set only.

> Would pathing out the location directly to the laptops
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kim - 16 Sep 2003 23:45 GMT
Nothing, that is how I create replicas in Access ... but
when it prompts you as to the location at where you would
like to put the replica(s) (not the design master), would
putting it directly on a laptop be wise?  And would
synching from there be ok?  Do my questions make any
sense?  Sometimes it hard for me to explain myself.

So, are you saying that if I need to add a record/or
change data to a table don't do it using the design
master?  That is should only be used for design changes
only?  

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>What's wrong with Tools/Replication/Create Replica ?
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Vitalijus J. Karalius - 17 Sep 2003 00:29 GMT
Presuming that your laptops connect to the same LAN - that is precisely how
you would create the replicas - or you use Replication Manager - which I
presume that you have - to move the replicas you have already created and
thereby properly retain their identity and location.

The whole purpose of replication is to allow you to have multiple copies of
the same database - 1 synchoronization away from being identical. To
synchronize, they need to be occasionally connected via RAS, LAN, WAN or the
Internet to be able to synchronize their data. The purpose of the design
master is to allow changes to be made in the design of tables and queries,
which changes can then be propagated to other members of the replica set -
also by synchronization.

You need to get a good grasp of replication concepts and pitfalls by reading
the documentation/white papers available from Microsoft and other Access
sites - like Trigeminal's - so that you have a good handle on where you are
going with your replication plans and what you can expect as a result.

> Nothing, that is how I create replicas in Access ... but
> when it prompts you as to the location at where you would
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Kim - 17 Sep 2003 02:27 GMT
That was the one step I couldn't find in all that I've
read on the subject, creating the replica directly to the
laptop(s) (I don't have Replication Manager).  

I unfortunately created the replicas, the wrong way (a
week ago), for the laptops on the network and dragged the
replica files over to the laptop (after connecting them
via network cable).  They are now being used and I have to
now figure out how to get the data from the laptops
without screwing everything up.  Any suggestions?  

Anyways, thanks for that one thing I've been searching
for.  This is my very first attempt at creating an ACCESS
application.  

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>Presuming that your laptops connect to the same LAN - that is precisely how
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Tom Trosborg - 18 Sep 2003 16:12 GMT
If these replicas were *not* opened in any way before they reached their
final destination then they should be Ok.

FWIW, I'd recommend that you start looking at Replication Manager and
indirect synchronization soon, as this is a very much safer way of synch-ing
than direct.

Tom Trosborg.

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Michael \(michka\) Kaplan [MS] - 19 Sep 2003 16:21 GMT
Please note that "ever opened" in this context is NOT "ever opened by Access
in the UI", its "ever opened by Jet in ANY WAY whatsoever".

But if the goal is to get the data, unreplicate, and start over -- then its
better to just do it. Its already to late to avoid the illegal move/copy
since it has been done. So just cooy it back, get the data out, and start
over.

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> If these replicas were *not* opened in any way before they reached their
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