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Can anyone suggest a good scheduling template for weekly shifts?

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Ronbo - 15 Nov 2005 21:34 GMT
Am looking for help in scheduling two teams of five (5) persons....7am to
3pm, and 3pm to 11pm...Mon-Sat. (Sundays off).  Furthermore...of the teams of
five, the team covering 3pm to 11pm would give up one to cover 11pm to 3am...

Major holidays off. (covered by On Call assignments) and minor holidays
short staffing.

Any suggestions?  Am tired of doing it the "way we've always done it!"

Thanks
PC Datasheet - 16 Nov 2005 01:30 GMT
I have a week scheduling calendar form/report that could be adapted to do
this. Send me an email.

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If you can't get the help you need in the newsgroup, I can help you for a
very reasonable fee. Over 1000 Access users have come to me for help.
Need a month calendar or 7 day calendar? Need appointment scheduling? Need
room reservations scheduling? Need employee work scheduling? Contact me!

> Am looking for help in scheduling two teams of five (5) persons....7am to
> 3pm, and 3pm to 11pm...Mon-Sat. (Sundays off).  Furthermore...of the teams
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> Thanks
John Marshall, MVP - 16 Nov 2005 02:06 GMT
How much are you charging? These newsgroups are for free support, not
soliciting

John...    Visio MVP

>I have a week scheduling calendar form/report that could be adapted to do
>this. Send me an email.
StopThisAdvertising - 16 Nov 2005 08:15 GMT
>I have a week scheduling calendar form/report that could be adapted to do
> this. Send me an email.
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> Need a month calendar or 7 day calendar? Need appointment scheduling? Need
> room reservations scheduling? Need employee work scheduling? Contact me!

To the OP: Beware of this guy!!

Steve just does *not* care about the newsgroups. He has *no ethics at all*.
Steve *only* cares about making *money*, and he acts as if the groups are his private hunting ground.

-- He abuses this group and others for job-hunting and advertising over and over again
-- He is insulting lots of people here when they ask him to stop this
-- He posted as Steve, Ron, Tom, Rachel, Kathy, Kristine, Heather and ??? while asking questions
   (the latest 'star's': 'Access Resource' and Tom notmy@email.com and Andy)
-- He tries to sell a CD ($125,--) with FREE code he gathered from these groups here
-- There even has been a 'Scam-alert' about him which has been explained recently in the thread 'To all':
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.databases.ms-access/msg/46038ba2954261f9?hl=en
-- Also recently it became clear that he has been spamming innocent people asking questions:
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.databases.ms-access/msg/4f76d0ed3e5f58ad?hl=en

So why would ANYBODY ever trust a person like him and hire him?
********************************************************

Explanation and more links on this answer:
http://home.tiscali.nl/arracom/stopsteve.html

Arno R
tina - 16 Nov 2005 02:25 GMT
Ronbo, sorry about the inappropriate solicitation post you
received in this thread. the purpose of these unmonitored newsgroups is to
offer free assistance, advice, and suggestions from fellow Access
developers, to answer your question(s) and help you build a better database.
if you don't receive any advice or suggestions from fellow developers in
this thread within a day or two, you may want to try posting again in the
tablesdbdesign NG, asking for suggestions on what tables/relationships you
need, and/or perhaps links to existing templates or "demo" databases to get
you started. if you prefer to hire a developer to build your database, there
are websites where you can look for contractors. you can find those by
googling.

hth

> Am looking for help in scheduling two teams of five (5) persons....7am to
> 3pm, and 3pm to 11pm...Mon-Sat. (Sundays off).  Furthermore...of the teams of
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>
> Thanks
Ronbo - 16 Nov 2005 03:22 GMT
Thank you....they can solicit all they want, I have no funds for that.  

> Ronbo, sorry about the inappropriate solicitation post you
> received in this thread. the purpose of these unmonitored newsgroups is to
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> >
> > Thanks
tina - 16 Nov 2005 05:26 GMT
you're welcome, and good luck with your project!  :)

> Thank you....they can solicit all they want, I have no funds for that.
>
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> > >
> > > Thanks
PC Datasheet - 16 Nov 2005 23:30 GMT
......the purpose of these unmonitored newsgroups is to
offer free assistance, advice, and suggestions from fellow Access
developers, to answer your question(s) and help you build a better
database......

Where does it say this?

> Ronbo, sorry about the inappropriate solicitation post you
> received in this thread. the purpose of these unmonitored newsgroups is to
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>>
>> Thanks
StopThisAdvertising - 16 Nov 2005 23:44 GMT
> ......the purpose of these unmonitored newsgroups is to
> offer free assistance, advice, and suggestions from fellow Access
> developers, to answer your question(s) and help you build a better
> database......
>
> Where does it say this?

IMO it is better not to argue about this with you.
You just don't *want* to know this.

Arno R
PC Datasheet - 17 Nov 2005 02:32 GMT
I would not have asked if I did not want to know!!!!!!!!!!

Now let Tina answer.

"PC Datasheet" <nospam@nospam.spam> schreef in bericht
news:niPef.1289$N45.1041@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net...
> ......the purpose of these unmonitored newsgroups is to
> offer free assistance, advice, and suggestions from fellow Access
> developers, to answer your question(s) and help you build a better
> database......
>
> Where does it say this?

IMO it is better not to argue about this with you.
You just don't *want* to know this.

Arno R
Keith W - 17 Nov 2005 09:13 GMT
>I would not have asked if I did not want to know!!!!!!!!!!

Why does quoted text not appear as such in your postings?  Is this another
form of plagiarism?
PC Datasheet - 17 Nov 2005 13:10 GMT
How's this --- "You're a dimwit!"

>>I would not have asked if I did not want to know!!!!!!!!!!
>>
> Why does quoted text not appear as such in your postings?  Is this another
> form of plagiarism?
Keith W - 17 Nov 2005 15:27 GMT
> How's this --- "You're a dimwit!"

So you keep saying but I don't see you providing any evidence in support of
your claim.  Don't you ever tire of being wrong?
Douglas J Steele - 17 Nov 2005 16:34 GMT
> > How's this --- "You're a dimwit!"
>
> So you keep saying but I don't see you providing any evidence in support of
> your claim.  Don't you ever tire of being wrong?

How would he recognize the alternative?

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Keith W - 17 Nov 2005 17:07 GMT
>> > How's this --- "You're a dimwit!"
>>
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>
> How would he recognize the alternative?

It strikes me as being a little scary that someone who claims to be such an
all knowing and indispensable "resource" can't even operate a news reader
program, and the name-calling speaks for itself.
PC Datasheet - 18 Nov 2005 02:09 GMT
Doug,

You may think you are big stuff writing for Pinnacle or whoever you write
for but you have lowered yourself into the gutter supporting and promoting
Arno R, John Marshall and Keith Wilby. Just take a look at the worthless
garbage they are polluting the newsgroups with and count the number of
responses of help made by that trio of dimwits. Also keep in mind that the
rules went out the window when Arno R started sending emails to my office.

As for highly respected contributors to the newsgroups, here is a list of
just a few:
Allen Browne
Ken Snell
Jim Fortune
Salad
Tom van Stiphout
MG Foster
FredG
John Nurick
These guys are class acts!!!! You aren't even in their league.

Steve

>> > How's this --- "You're a dimwit!"
>>
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>
> How would he recognize the alternative?
John Marshall, MVP - 18 Nov 2005 04:40 GMT
> Just take a look at the worthless garbage they are polluting the
> newsgroups
>
> Steve

That's a novel way of describing your solicitations. Stop soliciting, we'll
stop complaining.

John...    Visio MVP
John Marshall, MVP - 18 Nov 2005 05:10 GMT
> Doug,
>
> Also keep in mind that the rules went out the window when Arno R started
> sending emails to my office.

You were not following the rules in the first place and have you not been
asking users to contact you directly?

> These guys are class acts!!!! You aren't even in their league.

Since Nov 1st, Doug has made 386 posts to the Access newsgroups. You on the
other hand have only posted 85, which was mainly a combination of slander,
plagarism or incorrect information.

You are definitely in a league of your own.

> Steve

PS: where is your legions of supporters?

John...    Visio MVP
Keith W - 18 Nov 2005 08:58 GMT
<snip self-opinionated clap-trap>

I'm not going to get involved in a statistical joust with you, it really
isn't worth it.  You are entitled to your opinion but as far as I'm
concerned it counts for nothing here and the name-calling speaks volumes
about you.
StopThisAdvertising - 18 Nov 2005 09:19 GMT
> Doug,
>
> Also keep in mind that the
> rules went out the window when Arno R started sending emails to my office.

To all:
Do *not* believe this lunatic accusation. Simply *not true*.
**************************************************

BUT: I *did* sent ONE email indeed where PC was *asking* for it.
Look at the thread: "Checkboxes and Option Groups"
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.databases.ms-access/msg/bce809737152b925

In that thread I said to Steve:
"If you are interested contact me and I will send you a screenshot."

Steve replied:
"I am interested. I would appreciate whatever you can send me".
************************************************

So I did send a screenshot to Steve indeed in a private mail ....
"Steve,
As promised a screenshot,
<Screenshot>
If you stop your advertising you can have the code for free"

And I also replied to Steve here in the groups with the same message:
"I just did send the screenshot to you.
As I said in the mail: If you stop your advertising you can have the code for free !"

He did *not* answer this. So my conclusion was:
>Since I don't hear from you again, I guess your are not interested in free
>code or free support?

So I never have been sending email*s*. Only the ONE that he asked for.
I see only ONE mail to resource@pcdatasheet in my Outbox.
As I recall I was even hesitating sending Steve the screenshot because I choked on the address ("resource..." sic!!)

To Steve:
So yet another false accusation! Any self-esteem left ??
***************************************

Besides: I am *still* waiting for other answers.
Coming soon Steve ???

Arno R
StopThisAdvertising - 18 Nov 2005 11:27 GMT

> As for highly respected contributors to the newsgroups, here is a list of
> just a few:
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>
> Steve

So what are you trying to tell us with this list Steve ??
I don't think they are members of the PCDataSheet-FanClub !

They are highly respected contributors indeed (and there are a lot of others also).

But they are *not highly respecting you* I guess ...
At least I know that some of them are not ...

Arno R
PC Datasheet - 18 Nov 2005 04:19 GMT
Tina,

Your failure to answer is an affirmative confirmation that you can not
support the statement you made. In the future do not make statements that
you can not support. This is not the way to achieve MVP status.

Steve
PC Datasheet

> Ronbo, sorry about the inappropriate solicitation post you
> received in this thread. the purpose of these unmonitored newsgroups is to
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>>
>> Thanks
John Marshall, MVP - 18 Nov 2005 04:47 GMT
> Tina,
>
> Your failure to answer is an affirmative confirmation that you can not
> support the statement you made.

So what about the long list of questions you have never answered?

> In the future do not make statements that  you can not support.

So what about the statements that you refuse to support?

> This is not the way to achieve MVP status.

From what I have seen of Tina's posts, she has a far better chance of being
awarded than you.

> Steve PC Datasheet

John...    Visio MVP
StopThisAdvertising - 18 Nov 2005 09:24 GMT
IMO Tina is smart enough to not enter a useless discussion about the rules here with you.
You just don't want to *know* the rules here.

BUT: I am *still* waiting for *your* answers Steve !!
What a drag .... <sigh>

Arno R

> Tina,
>
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> Steve
> PC Datasheet
Ed Warren - 18 Nov 2005 09:52 GMT
You are selling three day old fish!!!

Should I put your last post in the 'helpful' pile or 'solicitation' pile
when calculating your "10:1" ratio?

Ed Warren

> Tina,
>
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>>>
>>> Thanks
Ed Warren - 16 Nov 2005 22:08 GMT
I think you will have to 'roll your own' to get something this specific.  As
a start lay out in a paragraph all the 'entites'.
Here is a start

I have a number of teams (currently 2)
Each team is made up of a number of people (currently 5)
There are a number of shifts to be covered. Each shift consists of a day,
start time, end time, and required number of staff
Some days are holidays and they are off but are covered by 'On Call
Assignments
All Sundays are holidays
Some days are minor holidays and they have 'short staffing'
----not sure what the meaning of 'the team covering 3pm to 11pm will give up
one to cover 11pm to 3am-- but this is yet another business rule.

Ok look for the nouns
teams
people
shifts
days
   workdays
   holidays
   minor holidays
   sundays
   saturdays ?? (might be just another work day)
----you may have more

Now we look for relationships

each person is assigned to one and only one team
each team consists of many people (currently 5)
each shift is assigned to one and only one team
each team is assigned many shifts
each day consists of many shifts

---- you may have more.

After you get all the:   (one can roughly consider all of these the same but
in places the language varies) Enties (entity-relation model); Classes
(Object Oriented model); Tables (relational physical database design)  and
their characteristics (field types) and their relationships to other things
in the model, you are almost ready to start building your database.

After you get the data structure right, you will need to build in the
business logic,  I think this will take some coding in Visual Basic.
       The same team cannot have more than one shift in a day, etc.

Then you can build your user interface.

Lots of luck.

Ed Warren

> Am looking for help in scheduling two teams of five (5) persons....7am to
> 3pm, and 3pm to 11pm...Mon-Sat. (Sundays off).  Furthermore...of the teams
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>
> Thanks
tina - 16 Nov 2005 22:31 GMT
in addition to following Ed's excellent methodology, suggest you read up on
data modeling and relational design principles. see
http://home.att.net/~california.db/tips.html#aTip1
for more information.

hth

> Am looking for help in scheduling two teams of five (5) persons....7am to
> 3pm, and 3pm to 11pm...Mon-Sat. (Sundays off).  Furthermore...of the teams of
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>
> Thanks
 
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