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Rich1234 - 23 Sep 2005 15:26 GMT Hi
I am trying to aadd records to a many to many relationship. I have these tables: Vehicles (Primary Key VRM) Drivers (Primary Key DriverID VehiclesDrivers (Primary keys VRM and DriverID)
I know how to add an entry in the driver table using a form, and how to add a vehicle to the vehicles table using a form. I have a main form, Vehicles, with Drivers as a subform. I have set up the subform to show only drivers who are already related to the vehicle. The problem is how to enter a new vehicle on the main form then add new drivers associated with it in the drivers subform.
When I just add a new driver on the subform, access says, "Field Cannot Be Updated." However, the drivers table does get updated with this new driver, although the VehiclesDrivers table doesn't.. The query on the subform is SELECT Drivers.Surname, Drivers.[First Names], Drivers.DOB, Drivers.Sex, Drivers.Address, VehiclesDrivers.VRM FROM Drivers INNER JOIN VehiclesDrivers ON Drivers.DriverID=VehiclesDrivers.DriverID;
How do I add new records to the drivers table which are also related to the vehicle displayed in the main form (ie write an entry into both the drivers table and the VehiclesDrivers table ?)
Rich1234 - 23 Sep 2005 15:44 GMT I have also tried an "Add new driver" button on the main form, which opens a form to add a new driver. Once again, I can add a driver to the drivers table (without errors) but can't add an entry to the VehiclesDrivers table. I have tried including the VRM field in the add new driver form but it appears blank when the form is opened in Add Mode. What am I doing wrong? Do I have to add to the drivers table first, before adding a new record to the VehiclesDrivers?
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> Hi > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > vehicle displayed in the main form (ie write an entry into both the drivers > table and the VehiclesDrivers table ?) Amy Blankenship - 23 Sep 2005 19:05 GMT >I have also tried an "Add new driver" button on the main form, which opens >a [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Do I have to add to the drivers table first, before adding a new record to > the VehiclesDrivers? On your add new driver button, make sure you set the OpenForm action to open the form as a dialog (acDialog). Then, in the form's unload event, cancel the unload if it was called by your button (look at OpenArgs), and instead make the form invisible. Now, you have access to the new driver in the other form to add to your calling form. After you add the driver, close the popup form.
HTH;
Amy
Amy Blankenship - 23 Sep 2005 20:14 GMT PS you also need to requery the combobox to make the change show up.
HTH;
Amy
>>I have also tried an "Add new driver" button on the main form, which opens >>a [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Amy Rich1234 - 24 Sep 2005 10:30 GMT Hi Amy
Can I tell you the way I have got this set up. Maybe I haven't been too clear. There is an "edit drivers" button on the detail section of the continuous subform which allows the user to edit each existing driver for the vehicle. This button opens the "drivers" form to show only that particular driver, whose details can be edited successfully. On this drivers form is the warnings subform, using the combo box to select new warnings from the DriversWarnings table. All of this works fine.
The problem is in writing to the VehiclesDrivers table. I still can't work this out. If I add an "add new driver" button, where should it go - on the main (Vehicles) form or on the drivers subform within the main page? Does it matter? I need the new driver entry to be related to VRM (so it can save to VehiclesDrivers table), that is why I ask this. I am trying to open the same "drivers" form that I use to edit existing drivers (with DriversWarnings continuous subform) in "add new record" mode so it doesn't show any existing records (How do I do this? I've tried setting it to DoCmd.OpenForm stDocName, , acNewRec but it is still showing all the drivers, and is not showing the blank form I would like.)
I have put the add new drivers button in the header of the subform. I've also tried opening the drivers form as dialog by putting acDialog in as follows: DoCmd.OpenForm stDocName, , acDialog, stLinkCriteria Is this right? This doesn't seem to make any difference. The warnings subform is always on the drivers main form, in case I wasn't clear before.
In the form's unload event, how do I cancel the unload if it was called by the button by looking at OpenArgs? - and how do I make it invisible? (Which form's unload event - the drivers mainform or the DriversWarnings subform?) I don't understand!
Or do I have to use a different form for "Add Drivers?" (ie not the same form I'm using for editing existing drivers?) And is it this form's unload event I need to look at? And how does I then add driver warnings for this new driver? And how is this driver assigned to the VehiclesDrivers table?
What am I doing wrong? I can't believe this is giving me so much trouble! There must be a way to do this. I've got a dealine to get this database ready for use by Monday and I'm getting worried! Please help if you can
> PS you also need to requery the combobox to make the change show up. > [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > > > Amy Amy Blankenship - 26 Sep 2005 15:14 GMT > Hi Amy > [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > I > would like.) OK, you have vehicles listed in a continuous subform, with an edit drivers button for each vehicle. What's the main form, and how is it related?
I would think that you could put the add new driver button next to the edit drivers button, whereever makes sense. Its physical location should not matter.
> I have put the add new drivers button in the header of the subform. > I've also tried opening the drivers form as dialog by putting acDialog in [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Is this right? This doesn't seem to make any difference. The warnings > subform is always on the drivers main form, in case I wasn't clear before. If you open it as a dialog, that only means that execution of everything else in access will pause until the form is hidden or closed. Is that what you meantt? I don't think you actually have the acDialog constant in the right place for it to work as you think it will. acDialog should actually be the 6th parameter, not the third.
> In the form's unload event, how do I cancel the unload if it was called by > the button by looking at OpenArgs? - and how do I make it invisible? > (Which > form's unload event - the drivers mainform or the DriversWarnings > subform?) I > don't understand! You'd have to actually USE OpenArgs, which would be the 7th parameter for the OpenForm method. That would put it right after acDialog, if acDialog were moved so as to work as expected.
To look at OpenArgs on close, you'd declare a module wide variable in the declarations section (Private IsCanceled As Boolean). Then, in the load event, you'd set IsCanceled to true if the form was not called with arguments and IsCanceled if it was called with arguments.
In the form's unload code, you'd use something like
Private Sub Form_Unload(Cancel As Integer) If Not IsCanceled Then Cancel = True IsCanceled = True End If Me.Visible = False End Sub
which would allow you to cancel the close of the form and simply hide it until the main form can grab the value and finish the close.
> Or do I have to use a different form for "Add Drivers?" (ie not the same > form I'm using for editing existing drivers?) And is it this form's > unload > event I need to look at? And how does I then add driver warnings for this > new driver? And how is this driver assigned to the VehiclesDrivers table? I wouldn't think so. My standard code for this is
Private Sub Form_Open(Cancel As Integer) Cancel = False If Me.OpenArgs = "New" Then DoCmd.GoToRecord acDataForm, Me.Name, acNewRec isCanceled = False Else isCanceled = True End If End Sub
This takes you to a new, blank record if the form is called with an argument of "New." It also sets the isCanceled variable as discussed above.
HTH;
Amy
Dirk Goldgar - 26 Sep 2005 03:43 GMT > Hi > [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > to the vehicle displayed in the main form (ie write an entry into > both the drivers table and the VehiclesDrivers table ?) Rich, if I understand you correctly, you want to use the subform both to choose existing Driver records for the subform, and also to add new drivers who don't yet exist in the Drivers table, both entering them in the Drivers table and associating them with this vehicle in the VehiclesDrivers table at the same time. So long as you include the necessary fields in the subform's recordsource query, I don't see any fundamental barrier to your doing this. However, your query as quoted above doesn't include the necessary fields.
You need to include VehiclesDrivers.DriverID in the query. Try this; it works for me:
SELECT VehiclesDrivers.VRM, VehiclesDrivers.DriverID, Drivers.Surname, Drivers.[First Names], Drivers.DOB, Drivers.Sex, Drivers.Address FROM Drivers INNER JOIN VehiclesDrivers ON Drivers.DriverID =VehiclesDrivers.DriverID;
I'd suggest using a combo box on the subform, bound to the DriverID field, with a rowsource that lets you select existing drivers. But if you want to add a new driver that isn't in the list, you should be able to just type the name and other data into the text boxes bound to those fields.
 Signature Dirk Goldgar, MS Access MVP www.datagnostics.com
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kelly d - 26 Sep 2005 04:17 GMT If I'm reading correctly, heres my take on the issue. drop the inner join on the your subs record source and just plain select the fields you want displayed in the subform. make sure one of those fields is vehicle set the subs LinkChildField and LinkMasterField to vehicle. set your subs allow additions property to yes
this way when you select a vehicle in your parent form, your sub will automatically only show the drivers for that vehicle. when you enter a new driver in the sub, it will automatically get associated with the vehicle that is displayed in the parent form. when you enter a new record on the parent form the sub will automatically go blank (cuz there are currently no drivers associated with the new vehicle you are about to enter in the new record) and when you start to add drivers to the new vehicle you just added, they too, will automatically get associated with the new vehicle you just entered. the only button you'd need is on the parent which would be something like 'enter new vehicle' and its OnClick code would be: docmd.GoToRecord ,,acNewRec (also make sure your parent forms all additions property is set to yes)
Rich1234 - 26 Sep 2005 11:07 GMT Thanks Guys. This works... but I can't get the combo box to work. I want it to be able to be used as a "search" facility so that the user can see if the driver they are about to input already exists in the database (ie already assigned to another vehicle.) At the moment I can click on a driver in the list, but the text at the bottom of the Access screen says, "Control can't be edited.. it's bound to the unknown field VehiclesDrivers.DriverID. Why does it say this, when the VehiclesDrivers.DriverID field is included in the recordsource for the subform, and is the ControlSource for the combo?
The row source for the combo is the Drivers table. The control source for the combo is VehiclesDrivers.DriverID The record source for the subform is:
SELECT Drivers.Surname, Drivers.[First Names], Drivers.DOB, Drivers.Sex, fncDriverWarnings(VehiclesDrivers.DriverID) AS Warnings, Drivers.DriverID, VehiclesDrivers.VRM, VehiclesDrivers.DriverID FROM Vehicles INNER JOIN (Drivers INNER JOIN VehiclesDrivers ON Drivers.DriverID=VehiclesDrivers.DriverID) ON (Vehicles.VRM=VehiclesDrivers.VRM) AND (Vehicles.VRM=VehiclesDrivers.VRM) AND (Vehicles.VRM=VehiclesDrivers.VRM);
(I have no idea why (Vehicles.VRM=VehiclesDrivers.VRM) is included 3 times at the end of the query.. Access puts this in automatically after I've used the SQL statment Query Builder.)
Ideally I'd like the entry, once clicked, to automatically add this driver to the VehiclesDrivers table for this particular vehicle, and populate the fields in the subform below.
The drivers are listed OK (First Name, Surname and DOB appear in the combo) ... but that's as far as I can get.
If you can enlighten me, once more I'll be very grateful. Is this the best way to do a driver search to see if the driver is already in the database, and then assign to this vehicle?
Thank you.
> > Hi > > [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] > to just type the name and other data into the text boxes bound to those > fields. Dirk Goldgar - 26 Sep 2005 17:43 GMT > Thanks Guys. > This works... but I can't get the combo box to work. I want it to be [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > VehiclesDrivers.DriverID field is included in the recordsource for > the subform, and is the ControlSource for the combo? Very odd. Something's wrong.
> The row source for the combo is the Drivers table. > The control source for the combo is VehiclesDrivers.DriverID [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > times at the end of the query.. Access puts this in automatically > after I've used the SQL statment Query Builder.) Something's very odd indeed. Open the Relationships window and look at the relationships you've defined between these tables. Be sure to click the Show All button to see all tables and relationships. Do you have multiple copies of the same relationship defined betwen Vehicles and VehiclesDrivers. Delete duplicates.
Edit the SQL of the query to remove the duplicate join expressions.
> Ideally I'd like the entry, once clicked, to automatically add this > driver to the VehiclesDrivers table for this particular vehicle, and > populate the fields in the subform below. That should work with the SQL that I gave you. It works for me.
> The drivers are listed OK (First Name, Surname and DOB appear in the > combo) ... but that's as far as I can get. > > If you can enlighten me, once more I'll be very grateful. Is this > the best way to do a driver search to see if the driver is already in > the database, and then assign to this vehicle? I don't know if it's the best way, but it's a fine way. If you also use the subform to add new drivers (which works for me, but not yet for you) you'll probably want to requery the combo box in your subform's AfterUpdate event, to make sure that newly added drivers appear in it right away.
 Signature Dirk Goldgar, MS Access MVP www.datagnostics.com
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kelly d - 27 Sep 2005 00:41 GMT Sorry for being a bit slow but I think I need a recap in order to better understand your situation and help you find a solution. tell me if I've missed anything here your main forms' record source is 'vehicles' which shows all info about a selected vehicle. you have a subform that you want to show all the drivers about the selected vehicle on the main form. you want to both, be able to enter a new vehicle on the main form and then list drivers for it in the subform, and be able to list new drivers for a vehicle that is already in the vehicles table by just entering new driver info into the subform when the appropriate vehicle is showing on the main form. your vehicles table is all about the specifics of each vehicle and the drivers table is all about the specifics of the drivers while the vehiclesdrivers table is a bridging table that lists all the drivers associated with all the vehicles. when you enter a new driver in the subform you want the info of that driver to get saved to both the vehiclesdrivers table and the drivers table at the same time? and where is this trouble-making combobox of drivers located, on the parent form or on the subform? I got lost as to what your goal is and exactly how your tables and forms are built.
kelly d - 27 Sep 2005 00:43 GMT P.S. what does your fncDriverWarnings function do.
kelly d - 27 Sep 2005 02:51 GMT I just created a dummy DB with 3 tables. 1 testV that has dummy info about vehicles, 1 testD that has dummy info about drivers, and 1 testDV that lists what drivers drive what vehicles. 1 form that lists all the info about a vehicle, 1 subform that lists all the drivers for the displayed vehicle and the detailed info about that driver. in the main form I can enter a new vehicle as well as look at existing vehicles. in the sub I can add existing drivers to an existing vehicle or a new vehicle or I can add a new driver to an existing vehicle or a new vehicle. when I add an existing driver to a vehicle a new entry is entered into my testDV table, when I enter a new driver into the sub that new driver is added to the testDV table as registered to the vehicle that was displayed when I entered the new driver as well as being entered into the drivers table at the same time. I choose an existing driver via a combobox of existing driver ID's. when I choose an existing driver the rest of the fields auto-populate with that drivers details. when I enter a new driver I just type that driver a new driver ID into the combobox. If this is what your looking for then I'll tell you how its done. (considerably simple) if it's not what your after then let me know.
kelly d - 27 Sep 2005 03:15 GMT Allow me to correct what just said in my last post as I didnt explain it quite right. In my test subform, if you want to select an existing driver you chose them from a drop down that auto populates the rest of the driver info, if you enter a new driver you just enter their new driverID into a text field that is bound to the driverID and that automatically gets added to the drop down list. all of this with done with done with one line of VBA that you dont even have to open the VB editor to do and all the SQL has just one simple inner join. the rest of it is straight forward SQL selects
Rich1234 - 27 Sep 2005 10:55 GMT Hi Dirk
I don't understand why the last statement in the record source for the subform was included 3 times. I have deleted it and it didn't reappear. Perhaps I made an error inputting it. That aside, the relationships window is behvaing oddly.. I was going to submit a post on this one. Not all relationships show up in the window, even when I click "Show All." The relationship line between Vehicles and VehiclesDrivers disappears next time the window is opened, even if you've just saved it before closing the window! Is this is a serious bug??
Back to the point in hand... I have put your SQL in the record source for the drivers subform (and have included the fnc below:) SELECT VehiclesDrivers.VRM, VehiclesDrivers.DriverID, Drivers.DriverID, Drivers.Surname, Drivers.[First Names], Drivers.DOB, Drivers.Sex, fncDriverWarnings(VehiclesDrivers.DriverID) AS Warnings FROM Drivers INNER JOIN VehiclesDrivers ON Drivers.DriverID=VehiclesDrivers.DriverID;
The combo control source is VehiclesDrivers.DriverID. Row source: SELECT Drivers.DriverID, Drivers.Surname, Drivers.[First Names], Drivers.DOB FROM Drivers ORDER BY [Surname], [First Names], [DOB];
I still get the message, "Control can't be edited; it's bound to the unknown field VehiclesDrivers.DriverID." This is foxing me as VehiclesDrivers.DriverID is in the record source for the form and shows up in the field list in design view.
> > Thanks Guys. > > This works... but I can't get the combo box to work. I want it to be [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] > AfterUpdate event, to make sure that newly added drivers appear in it > right away. Rich1234 - 27 Sep 2005 11:15 GMT Hi Kelly, Dirk and Amy! My last post responded it Dirk's post and I didn't mean to exclude you!! Thanks for your posts. I will recap and clarify things here:
Tables: Vehicles (PK VRM) Drivers (PK DriverID) VehiclesDrivers (PK VRM and DriverID) Warnings (PK WarningID) DriverWarnings (PK DriverID and WarningID)
Main form is Vehicles (based on Vehicles table). Continuous Subform is Drivers, using this SQL to show driver info related to vehicle: SELECT VehiclesDrivers.VRM, VehiclesDrivers.DriverID, Drivers.DriverID, Drivers.Surname, Drivers.[First Names], Drivers.DOB, Drivers.Sex, fncDriverWarnings(VehiclesDrivers.DriverID) AS Warnings FROM Drivers INNER JOIN VehiclesDrivers ON Drivers.DriverID=VehiclesDrivers.DriverID;
I need to display onscreen the drivers in the continuous subform and their warnings... Because there are two many to many relationships involved in showing a vehicle and driver(s) who have warning(s) assigned to them, I am usng the fncDriversWarnings to show the warnings for each driver in another textbox next to each driver in the cont subform. That works fine (thanks Dirk!)
I can now input new drivers to the subform direct and they are added to the drivers and VehiclesDrivers tables successfully. I can add warnings from opening an additional form.. this works fine.
The problem is in making sure users don't input a driver to a vehicle who already exists in the database. I am using a combo as described in my last post to show all drivers in the database and it is not working for assigning the selected driver to the vehicle. If you can help (or is there another way to do this?), I will be a happy man!
Thanks Rich
> Hi Dirk > [quoted text clipped - 80 lines] > > AfterUpdate event, to make sure that newly added drivers appear in it > > right away. kelly d - 27 Sep 2005 20:10 GMT So everything is working fine now except when entering a new driver a check needs made to see if the driver being added to a vehicle isnt already assigned to another vehicle. you might need to look to some VBA for this one. like maybe on the AfterUpdate of your subs driverID field you could put something like: If Dcount("driverID","VehiclesDrivers","driverID='" & me!driverID & "'")>0 then msgbox "this driver is already assigned to a vehicle." DoCmd.DoMenuItem acFormBar, acEditMenu, acUndo, , acMenuVer70 end if
or something similar that checks and stops the adding of a new driver that is already assigned.
or if you just want a combobox to only show drivers that are currently unassigned to any vehicle then you might put some SQL on the combobox's row source like this: SELECT drivers.driverID FROM drivers LEFT JOIN vehiclesdrivers ON drivers. driverID = vehiclesdrivers.drvierID WHERE (((vehiclesdrivers.drvierID) Is Null));
Dirk Goldgar - 27 Sep 2005 16:00 GMT > Hi Dirk > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > AS Warnings FROM Drivers INNER JOIN VehiclesDrivers ON > Drivers.DriverID=VehiclesDrivers.DriverID; Do not include Drivers.DriverID in the list of selected fields.
> The combo control source is VehiclesDrivers.DriverID. > Row source: SELECT Drivers.DriverID, Drivers.Surname, Drivers.[First [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > VehiclesDrivers.DriverID is in the record source for the form and > shows up in the field list in design view. Tell me if removing Drivers.DriverID from the field list of the subform's recordsource query solves the problem.
 Signature Dirk Goldgar, MS Access MVP www.datagnostics.com
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Rich1234 - 28 Sep 2005 16:30 GMT Thanks Dirk and Kelly for your posts. Just to confirm, I am looking for a way to see if a driver already exists as being assigned to another vehicle, so that the user will not input the same driver twice but instead just select the driver and the driver then will be assigned to multiple vehicles (and will populate the driver info fields in the sibform for this particular vehicle.)
I have tried Dirk's idea of removing Drivers.DriverID. Here are the results
Yes it does solve this problem in the short term.. but I now cannot save the form or database without the whole of Access crashing! Unbelievable. This has never happened consistently before and has just crashed the last 4 times I have tried this. Some of the VB is missing when I reopen- I have not checked everything, but the command buttons on the main form have lost all their VB and now do nothing! when I re-open Access so I have to go back to the backup version I saved at lunchtime - fortunate I made a backup. (I am resisting the very strong urge to say harsh words about Microsoft!)
The combo is in the header section of the subform. I am a bit confused as to why it does work anyway because in design view, the combo says for its recordsource VehiclesDrivers.DriverID, "Error- No such field in the field list." And there isn't! Yet the recordsource query for the subform includes the VehiclesDrivers.DriverID field! Despite this, in form view it is working! Am I missing something here, or is this very strange indeed?
Here's the recordsource for the subform:
SELECT VehiclesDrivers.VRM, VehiclesDrivers.DriverID, Drivers.Surname, Drivers.[First Names], Drivers.DOB, Drivers.Sex, fncDriverWarnings(VehiclesDrivers.DriverID) AS Warnings FROM Drivers INNER JOIN VehiclesDrivers ON Drivers.DriverID=VehiclesDrivers.DriverID;
Anyway, it works short term (until I need to save, when Access crashes, negating any benefit and creating more work.) Drivers.DriverID was in the record source for the subform because I had been using Drivers.DriverID on an "edit driver profile" button on each record, to open the corresponding record in a "Drivers" form where users can edit warnings for the driver. As Drivers.DriverID had been removed from the recordsource, I have instead been using VehiclesDrivers.DriverID to find the correct driver, which works.
Has anyone else experienced anything similar???? Does this all stem from the peculiar issue in the relationships window, where Vehicles is still not showing as being in a relationship with VehiclesDrivers, even after I create the relationship, close the window and say yes to saving the changes in the rel. window? I still haven't got to the bottom of this issue which worries me, Microsoft!
just for the record, the "Add Driver" button sets Me.AllowAdditions=true then opens a new record using the standard code.. and it works fine. All of it does til I save!
Please please help if you can! I have spent all afternoon on this.
> > Hi Dirk > > [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > Tell me if removing Drivers.DriverID from the field list of the > subform's recordsource query solves the problem. Rich1234 - 28 Sep 2005 16:43 GMT I have done a step by step edit then save then edit then save to locate exactly which change leads Access to crash upon saving. It happens as soon as Drivers.DriverID is removed from the subform record source.
> Thanks Dirk and Kelly for your posts. > Just to confirm, I am looking for a way to see if a driver already exists as [quoted text clipped - 84 lines] > > Tell me if removing Drivers.DriverID from the field list of the > > subform's recordsource query solves the problem. Dirk Goldgar - 30 Sep 2005 07:20 GMT > I have done a step by step edit then save then edit then save to locate > exactly which change leads Access to crash upon saving. It happens as soon [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] > > > > Please please help if you can! I have spent all afternoon on this. Something is very wrong. I suspect that your database may be corrupted. First check, though, that you don't have the Name AutoCorrect option turned on. That can cause weird problems when Access gets confused about what the true names of objects are.
Then try a Compact & Repair, close the database, open it, and Compact & Repair again. If that doesn't work, you may want to try importing all objects into a new, blank database, after making sure that Name AutoCorrect is turned off in that database, too.
 Signature Dirk Goldgar, MS Access MVP www.datagnostics.com
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Rich1234 - 30 Sep 2005 12:18 GMT Thanks Dirk Finally this problem is solved! wow The problem was that Name Auto Correct was turned on. At some point I have changed table or field or query names and this had thrown Access.
After 22 posts, this is Rich, signing off on this one. The green tick by your post is very well earned Dirk! the pain is over.....
Rich "over and out"
> > I have done a step by step edit then save then edit then save to locate > > exactly which change leads Access to crash upon saving. It happens as [quoted text clipped - 89 lines] > objects into a new, blank database, after making sure that Name AutoCorrect > is turned off in that database, too. Amy Blankenship - 30 Sep 2005 12:59 GMT Yaaay! I had been following this whole saga, but ran out of helpful advice.
-Amy
> Thanks Dirk > Finally this problem is solved! wow [quoted text clipped - 127 lines] >> AutoCorrect >> is turned off in that database, too.
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